Relight the Fire Podcast

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Heather Mills
Welcome to Relight the Fire. I'm Heather Mills and I teach you how to create more joy, meaning and fulfillment without leaving your job or blowing up your life.

The exhaustion, overwhelm and disconnection that happens with burnout is 100% solvable, and you can do it too. Listen on to find out how to relight the fire within you.

Today I have with me Sia-Lanu Estrella here to talk about how living life as sacred can reverse burnout. Sia-Lanu Estrella is the author of the internationally acclaimed rainbow tablet books.

She worked almost a decade of 70 hour work weeks in senior corporate roles until her health went into crisis and her chronic illness became unmanageable. In search of a cure, she traveled to Peru and worked with indigenous practices. Through the journey within, Sia-Lanu not only healed herself, but also stepped into a new fulfilling career supporting others to live their highest expression.

Hi, Sia-Lanu, and welcome to the show. I'm so excited to have you here today.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
Thank you so much for having me.

Heather Mills
There's so much juicy stuff to talk about. Can you just start by telling us about how you got to where you are now and how burnout was a part of your journey?

Sia-Lanu Estrella
Yeah, do you know it's interesting, I actually think for me personally, the burnout was about redirecting me. I grew up very creative, very connected, very interested in healing. I did my first healing, energetic healing training when I was 15 years old. And I was always really into writing and acting and photography, very creative.

And my poor parents. They were very traditional European parents, and, you know, had had a very set idea of what a proper in in quotation marks what a proper career was.

And everything I was interested in didn't qualify. Yeah, I had a lot of conditioning, I had a lot of pressure. You know, I was told you can't do these fluffy things. They're not a career, you need to pick a real career.

And I remember when I was looking at university, and going through the the university admissions guide, nothing appealed to me absolutely nothing. And so finally, I settled on, okay, I'll do a creative writing degree, you know, to become an author and my dad. He was he just looked at me and said, that's still not a proper career, you know, you need to pick a proper career.

So I ended up doing Yeah, yes. So I ended up doing media and communications majoring in journalism. While I was studying that I got into advertising. And I actually went into the corporate side of advertising, which was more the account management side. But yeah, I really enjoyed it.

But it was never what I wanted to do with my life. I had a very successful career, I went from entry level to pretty much as senior as you can go, within, you know, about three and a half years. And most people that takes seven or eight years.

So I was I was ticking all of the boxes. I had the huge six figure income, I had the waterview apartment. But I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy. I was working 70 hour weeks. I you know, I could not say no, I had absolutely no boundaries. I was an absolute workaholic.

And yeah, my my health really started to fail, like really started to fail. I did have some underlying chronic illness issues. But they the more that I became, I guess, disconnect content and disconnected within myself, though, and the more pressure I put myself under with the long hours and everything that the more my health collapsed, and the more my spirit collapsed, you know.

So my burnout was quite, it was quite obvious. It was quite obvious. It was extreme health failure. I had to leave the country every few years, just to go overseas and take some time off and go to South America.

My underlying chronic illness was airborne allergies, in particular pollens and dust mites. And Australia is the worst country in the world for that. So, my immunologist actually said to me, you need to leave the country, but it was hard because my whole life was there and I had nowhere else to go.

So I went over to Peru, I'd always been really drawn to Peru, and I started looking for alternative remedies. You know, I had exhausted everything medical. They I remember one day going into my doctor and saying, you know, what is it doing to my liver and my kidneys to be on six prescription painkillers every day permanently?

And he said, we just have to address that. When when we get to that, because, you know, your body is not designed to be in as much pain as it is. And if we take you off the medication, your nervous system is going to fail.

So it wasn't a case of, if you're if your liver and kidneys start to have problems, it was when. And so I realized this was not this was not a sustainable solution. You know, medicine was not traditional conventional medicine was not able to help me.

I was stuck in this kind of corporate grind, living a life that was not the life I had chosen for myself, it was not the life that I felt was an expression of my heart. So my, my energy was getting really drained. I was I was just feeling I mean, you know, I don't want to use the word depression, because it wasn't depression, but very disheartened, very disengaged.

And then I went over to South America, and I started working with the indigenous practices and and I actually worked with an Amazonian medicine, it's a frog medicine. And it was actually the thing to cure my my health issues.

So that gave me a really big, you know, a massive shift to suddenly be able to have my health now, I could only maintain it for about eight months at a time, and then I would have to sit with the Amazonian frog medicine again.

But at least I was getting somewhere, you know. And then it got to a point where actually my life was coming into quite a good place, I had started listening to my heart.

So I started making shifts I got out of advertising. It's a funny story, the thing that actually made me get out of advertising agencies was, I was offered a promotion to the highest level you can go to before you hit General Manager. And I think I was probably 28 at the time. And I walked out of work that day. And I threw up in the gutter.

And I realized, I can't I can't walk down this path, this is this is if I take this next promotion, I am going to be so unemployable anywhere else because I will be so overqualified. And I went in and I turned down the promotion, which meant that I had to resign because you can't turn down a promotion like that and stay in the agency.

And I moved across to a children's charity into a client side role. And that was really, that was really fulfilling for a while. And then after three years there, I felt that my skills, my skills couldn't grow in that environment, because I was overqualified. And I took the organization on an amazing journey.

But then I, you know, I was going to start losing, I guess, my marketability, if I if I stayed too long. So then I went back to corporate, but on the client side, in a big financial services firm. And it was an amazing role senior communications specialist training all the other writers, I was the lead writer, it was amazing. And I actually cut down to three days a week, so that I could focus on my healing work for two days a week.

So I started making shifts to actually listen to my heart and find some balance and start to bring in what I desired, not just what was expected of me. And then the call the call came to actually make the move completely out of corporate and step into, into my healing work and become an author and, and really embrace what my heart was calling me towards.

So yeah, that's that's how I that's how I ended up. But I would say for me, burnout brought me too. It brought me to a crisis point. It brought me to a crisis point where I had to really look at my life and go, this is not working. This is working and, and why is it not working?

And what do I need to do to get my life to a point where not only am I able to function in terms of health and well being, but that I actually feel excited and enlivened by it, you know,

Heather Mills
I have so many questions from all that you just shared. So I'm curious. When you you know, a lot of people experience burnout, but don't necessarily call it burnout. When you were going through that experience. What did you do say I'm, I'm, I'm going through burnout. I don't think like I'm having an existential crisis.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
No, I don't think it was. I don't think I necessarily put a label on it. I just felt like I was drowning. To be honest. I felt like I was drowning. I I was I was so lacking in motivation in terms of the, I guess, the emotional well being and the spiritual well being.

And then I was also so physically ill, that just to get up in the morning was, I mean, it took everything, it took everything I had, and then I would go and give my all at work.

And it was, you know, I basically, I didn't do anything with my friends, I didn't do anything, anything joyful outside of work, because every moment outside of work was kind of recovery.

So I knew that things were not working, I knew it was not sustainable. I, you know, it's funny, I work a lot with the indigenous practices now.

And recently I set sat in a in a Temazcal, which is a traditional Mexican sweat lodge. And the Temazcal arrow said, he was talking about, you know, this, this connection with spirit.

Because this is a thing that affects so many people in Western societies, we, we struggle with disconnection, you know, we really struggle with that. And, and so part of, you know, working with the, with working with ceremony is to really come back to that connection to self.

And he said, The worst fate is to be dying while you're still living. And oh, my gosh, the tears that flowed from me when he said that, because I just thought, I've lived that.

Heather Mills
Yes, and I think so many women especially, can relate to that. Because that is kind of what burnout feels like. It feels like, you're dying, even though you're living, you're living, you're alive, and you're living your life, but you're dying inside.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
And on paper, I was ticking all the boxes. Yeah, hugely successful career, the amazing apartment, the, you know, the wealth, the abundance, I was ticking all of the boxes, but I was I felt like I was dying inside.

And I think, you know, for women in particular, we, we do tend to take on a lot of expectations, I believe everybody faces conditioning from the moment that they're born.

Right, it comes out as from every angle, it's cultural conditioning, social familial conditioning, for some people, it's religious conditioning, and, and it hits us from the time that we are born. So we are always kind of burdened with these expectations. what's expected of us what the obligations are, what the correct way to live our lives is correct in quotation marks, am I right?

Right, exactly. But I think for women in particular, it's, it's harder to stand up and place those boundaries, because boundaries is, you know, I'll share my my second book is called The Rainbow Tablets, Divine Union and Sacred Sexuality.

And it's actually about coming into divine union within ourselves balancing our divine feminine and divine masculine energies, because we each have both right?

We all want whatever our gender we have the divine feminine and the divine masculine energies. But men obviously are more naturally linked with their masculine energies and boundaries, being able to say no, is part of the divine masculine, it's part of that masculine energy.

So women, unless it's, you know, we are in touch with our divine masculine and we're in touch with our, our, that balance within ourselves, we've really struggled to say no.

And that then when you have on top of that, if you have, say, for instance, you've encountered some trauma, you know, I grew up with a very abusive mother. So I had a very strong people pleaser, program playing out which is part of the wounded feminine, that's when we're not in our, in our healed feminine, we're in the wounded feminine, it's part of the victimhood, so always trying to prove myself gain that external validation, because I didn't feel worthy within myself.

And then because that was so strong, I, there was no way that I could have put boundaries and I could have said no, because I would have been so worried about letting people down or not doing the right thing or not living up to the expectations or not gaining that validation.

And, you know, whether we've been through trauma or not, I think, based on how our society is structured, structured with the patriarchal kind of construct, especially in the corporate world, women kind of are often faced with a choice you, you either go into that wounded feminine of the people, please seeing in the workaholic or you go in very heavily into the masculine and you shut off that, that feminine intuition and you know, you really go into that more dominant controlling masculine energy. There's not much modeled for us that is in harmony and imbalance.

Heather Mills
That's so true, I agree with you that there does feel like there's that choice between, like, doing it, like a man would do it in the corporate world, or being the people pleasing woman who wants to be nice and make sure everyone's taking care of and nurturing. It feels like there are those two choices.

And I think like, for myself, I know that I was choosing both of those things in different scenario, right? different circumstances, sometimes I was like, trying to act like a man, because that's how it was modeled, oh, this is how I'm supposed to be. And other times, I was like, well, that's not how it's modeled for me outside of the corporate world.

So let me see if I could bring that that nurturing side in and neither, of course, was really working. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So let me go back to something you said about the expectations. You know, we have expectations for ourselves. And then there are expectations that we think others have for us. And they sometimes we can't tell the difference between the two.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
Yeah, I would say it's super common for people to think they have expectations for themselves, but it's actually someone else's voice. It's actually the voice of the parent, you know, that we want to make proud or it's the voice of the school or institution that we grew up in, or it's the voice of, you know, our culture.

So, you know, this is this is that thing about disconnection, you know, when, when we grow up in, in Western society, generally, you know, I know this isn't true for everybody. But generally, we are not taught inner connection, we are not taught how to honor our hearts, how to honor our intuition, we are not taught to meditate, to create space for ourselves, to say, You know what, I need time for me, I need time to fill my cup up.

None of that is part of traditionally how we're brought up in the Western world. So without that, that connection with ourselves, if you don't know who you truly are, and what your voice and your essence feels like, how can you differentiate it from what's kind of been projected onto you throughout your whole life.

And so this is why you will often hear people get to their, their 20s, their mid or late 20s, or even sometimes their early 30s and say, it's not working, I'm I'm experiencing burnout, burnout, I'm not happy, but I don't know what I want. I don't know who I am.

And this is why because we are not cultivating that connection with ourselves. And when we when we shift that narrative, and we actually start to connect with ourselves and and release the conditioning heal the limiting beliefs and the release the expectations and the obligations and actually start to listen to what is my heart telling me? What is my intuition telling me? What is my center point of my true frequency? Then we can tell the difference between what is ours and what is not? And we can start to actually make those choices that honor ourselves,

Heather Mills
right? Yes. I think a lot of people listening are wondering, can you honor your true self and still be in the corporate world? Because there for a lot of people, there's a lot of fear of leaving that type of world and there's a there is some desire to stay and make it work? What are your thoughts on that?

Sia-Lanu Estrella
100% I have so many clients that are in the corporate world. And they are they are really making a massive difference there.

So firstly, I'll say at the last part, when I was in, in the corporate world, I was actually really happy in my role. It was so funny, often in life. Often in life, we leave a situation either because we're running from it, and that's what I would have been doing a few years earlier or we leave because we're actually evolving beyond it.

And that's kind of what happened for me. I wouldn't necessarily have chosen to leave that I had found this amazing balance and and I was finding purpose In that role, the the key thing for me, I will share what some of my clients have have found. But the key thing thing for me was authenticity.

Because I realized I had been very fragmented within myself, in my previous previous roles I had taken on a persona, that was the work persona, and I wasn't being authentic to myself.

And once I started being more authentic, allowing people to see me I am different, I am different. I'm interested in spiritual things, I traveled to foreign what was seen as exotic places.

And what I found was that when I actually started sharing that it didn't isolate me or reduce my credibility, which is what I was afraid of, it actually really intrigued people. And I realized that everyone was in the same place, everyone was feeling like, I can't be my true self in the corporate place, because it might affect my level of my prospects of promotion, or the way that people look at me.

So I've got to take on this persona and wear this mask, you know, we have these masks that we wear in certain environments.

And what I learned is that when I allowed more of a true version of myself more of a heart expression, it actually inspired people, it actually created more meaningful connections with my colleagues, which then flowed into the work it flowed into elevating the work itself.

And on top of that, I, I felt inspired, you know, I felt connected to what I was doing.

The other part was that I was also doing my own practices. So by that point, I had started bringing in a morning practice.

So, you know, most people kind of like they get out of bed, and what I know, at least I was, you get out of bed in the morning, and you've got that routine, right, I've got to, I've got to have a shower, walk the dog, you know, get this organized, and then get on the bus or the train to get to work and it's very human doing right, you know, and

Heather Mills
look at your phone in between and look at all the

Sia-Lanu Estrella
exactly the messages and then going over the to do list for the day are already starting to fragment the energy, you're not present, you're already in that stressed kind of energy.

So when I stopped and I started creating like a sacred way to start my day where I would get up, I would take my dog for a walk, I would meditate in the park, and actually connect with with the Earth and the land through doing you know, sort of a beautiful, I just used to make a little nice little Earth offers, they were just tiny, but you know, with feathers, or shells or flowers, and, and just start the day like that connecting with me connecting with the earth around me being in stillness, not being on my phone, not going over my to do list, it shifted the whole dynamic of my entire day.

So I was showing up to my day in a different way. Everyone was responding that in a to that in a different way, it meant I brought a different energy to my projects. So that's one thing that I would say.

And then the other thing that I would say that I see with a lot of my corporate clients, so I've got corporate and mainstream clients, I've got some clients that are accountants, marketing, financial services, medical doctors, scientists, you name it, you know, and it's about what lights up your soul.

You know, if you can find purpose in what you're doing, then you can 100% be in the in the corporate world.

So one of one of my ex colleagues, she is still within that corporate space. And she's just joined a new corporate that she feels she really likes what they stand for. She really likes what they stand for, what they do in relation to the environment. They are a big financial services company, but they have policies about their their ethics and their sustainability and all of that. So that brings meaning for her.

And also she knows that huge change can come from within the corporates because they've got the money to make the change. So if you can actually be on the inside and get involved in some like little side projects within the company, you can actually start to affect change.

You know, one of my medical clients who is a radiation oncologist, she's been on a huge sheet she came to my Egypt retreat, she came to my Peru retreat.

She went on this huge kind of like experience to look at what what is outside of just medicine because She started to realize that radiation therapy on its own was not working. It was not working as effectively as it could. And she wanted to see how can I better serve my patients?

And now she's actually what's the word that she uses an integrative cancer consultant. So she's still working with the radiation therapy, but she, she looks at, Okay, have you got your support system, let's connect in with your making sure that you've got what you need around you so that emotionally, spiritually and mentally you are supported, then how is your intention? What is the intention that you're bringing to this because if you bring the intention and the connection in the prayer, whatever form that takes, it doesn't have to be religious at all, it can be just that that.

That belief, you know, that belief that you can heal yourself, then she has seen that that greatly improves the results of how the body responds to the radiation therapy. And she also directs them to someone like me to help them with the inner work, because what she has found is that.

And I mean, I think we all know this at some level, illness, almost always comes from some sort of emotional suppressed emotional thing, trauma, or you know, something that is kind of like pushed down inside.

So if you can actually do the inner work, and heal whatever that underlying trauma or anxiety or whatever it might be, is, then not only do you give the body a better opportunity to heal, because all of a sudden, it's vibrating at a different frequency. But you also once you get past the cancer, you're less likely to have both the cancer come back or any other illnesses come in, because you've shifted the underlying causes.

So my answer is that we can we can have purpose and we can have meaning and we can have fulfillment in pretty much any anything we do.

Heather Mills
Yeah, absolutely. If we're connected with who we are, find, express that in the places where we are. I love what you were saying about authenticity. And authenticity is such a, you know, it's such a buzzword, right?

But I love that you gave some examples of what it really meant for you to be authentic in the workplace sharing about your travels to Peru. What are some other examples of how you were able to be more authentic in the workplace?

Sia-Lanu Estrella
Yes, so I started pushing the boundaries a little bit with how I dressed. Okay, because I didn't feel like myself in the typical corporate attire. So I would bring in certain jewelry, you know, I might still be in the corporate outfit. But I might bring in like some beautiful exotic jewelry that was maybe a bit shamanic, or, you know, an incredible necklace, earrings, that sort of thing.

And I yeah, in even in the way that I would present, so I can't remember what the topic was. But I had to present to our team of 300 on a particular thing. And it was about, I think it was about intention or something like that. And I actually brought in some photos, or it was about it might have been about how we can we can affect change and how we can actually, you know, ripple out, I guess, and I brought in a photo of one of the little Earth offerings that I'd made it made in my local park.

And a little girl had obviously been so touched by it that she had, and it was a it was a an offering of shells and pink flowers and feathers. She had added her pink, My Little Pony to the center of it. And when I saw it the next day, it brought tears to my eyes because for a little girl to give up her pony because she wanted to give it to the earth. That's so beautiful.

And what I actually learned from the neighbors when I bumped into some neighbors was that they would all look out each day they would walk deliberately down that way to see what was my offering that day that I was just doing for myself was rippling out and affecting the community.

So I just happened to share this in it. It was in a presentation. It had a very strong link to the theme. But it was something that was quite out of the box, you know, but it touched people you could see them going wow.

You know, and I remember not that long after that. It might have been about a month after that one of the very senior managers came over to my my desk one day And she said to me, I went something last night. And I think it would be right up your alley. Oh, gosh, what was it called? It was a, it was a sound healing. I think they called it a gong bath.

And I. And I said to her, I'm actually a trained Gong healer. I said, I offer Gong baths and she went up, I knew it, I knew your ally. And then she started talking to me and asking questions.

And so not only was I making more authentic connections with people being able to express myself more and actually bring, I guess, a new dynamic into the workplace. That was inspiring people, but it actually forged relationships and connections with senior people that might not have otherwise known who I was, you

Heather Mills
know, we had this expectation that if we bring these out of the box, or you know what some people may think of as weird or woowoo things about ourselves that it's actually going to cause more disconnection. But what you're saying is, it helps you create connection.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
Yeah, because what I realized, and that was always my fear, that's always why I had that fragmentation within myself, because I thought if I got found out, you know, as being a more connected person, that I would, I would somehow be looked at as less credible within this space, but what we forget is, every other person in that corporate space is also a real human being.

They are also, you know, wrestling with these things, of wanting to feel connected with themselves wanting to feel their hearts ignited, wanting to feel authentic.

And what I learned is authentic authenticity is it's so powerful, it's it's, it's contagious, you know, because people, people are so inspired and captivated by someone who is comfortable enough in their self to be authentic.

And I'm not saying I was never unprofessional, you know, I, I knew what the level was, but I definitely pushed the envelope. And what it actually did was it raised my stature and and it inspired other people. And it then creates a different dynamic.

And when you can start to bring that more, I guess, true, I am a human being I'm not just a corporate robot energy into your workplace, think of how we then come together when we come and work on projects, as teams, or we're working as colleagues, it fosters this co creation, and it fosters this, this flow of energy of kind of like giving and receiving and, and being able to witness each other being able to hear each other rather than the competition energy.

Because previously, I had actually been stuck in quite a bit of competition energy, which was from my corporate days, sorry, from my advertising agency days. So I was kind of very much in that masculine, like looking at other people as competition and really wanting to, yeah, Shine myself.

And maybe, you know, I was very good at lifting my team. But in terms of competing with other teams, or competing with other women in particular, at my level, because it's harder to get a promotion as a woman, that energy was with me, but when I came into authenticity, and when I came into connection with myself, that melted away and gave way for a more collaborative, more meaningful way of working with my colleagues, and then that was received and responded.

And it was recognized by the managers. So I actually ended up getting, you know, more senior duties because they saw how people responded to me and they said, you know, we want you to take the lead on training, the whole marketing and comms team, you know, run these run these sessions because they respond to you.

They respect you, they, they you present it in a way that gets through to people. So I think we've been caught in this idea of what we think it has to be in the corporate world.

But actually, when we bring it back to everyone in that corporate space is also a human being and they are also, you know, wanting to be able to express themselves and feel ignited in their hearts. If we can give that ability for people to feel inspired and to bring you know, the most that they can add to a project or something. Then it lifts everyone and it also lifts yourself.

Heather Mills
That's so beautiful. I love that so much. Because, you know, they're, you know, if you're a woman in the workplace, you've definitely felt that competition with other women for the few finites spots there are to move up in the corporate world.

And it feels like this, either this, this dichotomy or this choice that we have to make or no doesn't even feel like a choice. It feels like there's it's the only way, right, yeah, you have to compete. And if you want to, if you want to keep advancing, you do have to compete and win. And what you're saying is like, no, there is a different way of doing it. Yeah,

Sia-Lanu Estrella
absolutely. And I didn't know that for a lot of my career, I didn't know that. And when I started, as I said, the the shift came within

myself first. Yeah. And I started doing the work on myself. And I started to create more connection and space. And walking through my day with purpose, you know, in the work that I share with my clients, I call it living life as sacred, instead of just being on this kind of hamster wheel and going through the motions, and following the routine and the clock.

And, you know, and having that really fragmented, scattered energy in our heads, where we're always thinking of the next 10 things that we need to do, when we actually drop into presence, and we drop into our center and connection with ourselves and we start to live life is sacred, even when we're in the corporate play well, it shifts everything, it shifts everything in it, because it shifts everything within you, it shifts then how you relate to others.

So a lot of those distortions that we might have been carrying, such as people pleasing, lack of boundaries, competition, you know, all those sorts of things, we start to heal them. And we start to come into a much more empowered, centered, and I would use the word sovereign embodiment, as

Heather Mills
I so agree with what you're saying, Sia-Lanu, this is really resonating with me. You know, I used to teach women in the corporate world, how to negotiate in a collaborative way. And which was great, and I loved doing it.

But it was almost like, you have to make the internal shift. But before you really understand how powerful the collaborative tools are, and why you need them, it's like, the internal shift has to come first. And absolutely.

And it's one of the reasons why I've shifted my work to that working on doing the inner work to make that shift, and then seeing how powerful these other tools are of collaboration and purpose and bringing meaning into your work. But that inner work is it has to come first it's the case

Sia-Lanu Estrella
I may it's the key to everything. Yeah. Because everything I was feeling in that burnout was because I was not in touch with myself. I was not listening to my intuition. I was not listening to my heart. I was not. I was just so caught up in the distortions and so caught up in the external, you know, I was, right, yes, I was, I was.

So in that lack of self worth, that I just thought if I just take all of the boxes, and if I just do everything that's expected of me, I'm gonna find happiness, I'm gonna, because that's what

Heather Mills
I just do it perfectly.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
Right? Happy. Exactly. So this is this is the myth that we are sold, and it keeps us outside of ourselves. And it keeps us kind of like chasing that carrot on a stick, we're never going to get to it. And that's why I actually, I, you know, I wouldn't choose to go through it again.

But I really appreciate my burnout and my complete health collapse, because it literally stopped me in my tracks, and forced me to say, I can't keep going like this, like, I literally cannot keep going like this anymore. Something's got to change.

And what I would say to listeners is, don't wait till it gets to that point. If it has got to that point, you know, rather than going into the victimhood, because that's often what we can feel we can feel like I did everything I was supposed to. Why has this happened to me it's happened because the things that we've been told we're supposed to do, are actually not for our highest well being. So just know that you didn't do anything wrong. You didn't. You didn't misunderstand it. It's just that we've been sold a myth.

So when people lie, within sold a lie. Yeah, exactly. So for people who have reached that point, I want them to know that you can 100% Turn it around. At any point, by starting to honor yourself starting to do the inner work, and and I would love to recommend that people read my book, you know, the rainbow tablets design, yes, sexuality because this is so important for us as women in particular to gift this to ourselves, you know, it is really hard.

It is a very patriarchal society. And it is it is, you know, everything that were brought up with it is not geared towards women. And we are, we are now coming into that empowerment with ourselves.

And so then I would say to listeners who haven't reached burnout, but maybe feel like they're headed down that track, start to make these shifts started making shifts, and you're gonna see how your whole world just just shifts and it doesn't, the great thing is it doesn't actually require changing the job. I mean, to some people, it might, but in general, it doesn't mean you have to change the job, it doesn't mean you have to leave the corporate world and start a business like I did, I made the shift before I left the corporate world.

So my shift didn't come from running for world, I made the shift. And I was actually for the first time thriving and happy and healthy within my corporate role. And I had that balance. And then I chose to step into something else,

Heather Mills
which is very rare. I think. That's beautiful. You and I are so aligned in terms of what we think burnout is and the causes. Sia-Lanu, it's been so lovely to speak with you. I've enjoyed our conversation so much. Thank you for being here today.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
Thank you so much. It's been really wonderful.

Heather Mills
Yeah. And if people want to find out more about you, where should they go? Yes.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
So they can visit my website Sia-LanuEstralla.com. And I'm sure you'll put that in the in the notes. My name is not the easiest name. And yet, definitely check out the website because I do run global retreats. I have the beautiful online programs so people can join me wherever they are in the world. And of course, there's my two books. The first is the Rainbow Tablets Journey Back to Wholeness. And the second is the Rainbow Tablets, Divine Union and Sacred Sexuality.

Heather Mills
Beautiful. Thank you so much.

Sia-Lanu Estrella
Thank you

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